If you could build a daily driver coupe with a roundel on the hood:

"BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather" (bugeyedacura) 07/26/2016 at 21:07 • Filed to: None

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Would you pick a 228i or a 428i? Asking for a friend...

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) is dead, long live Bman76 M. Arch > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:10

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228i is sexier.

yitznewton > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:11

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Road & Track just ran a very favorable comparo for the 228i, if you can get the M Sport package (IIRC)

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a2…

Leadbull > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) is dead, long live Bman76 M. Arch 07/26/2016 at 21:11

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And cheaper and easier to maneuver.

Flyboy is FAA certified insane > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:13

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228i. One of the guys I go to school with bought one with the M track pack, meaning it has the m235i brakes and suspension. Cool car. Very quick.

I imagine the 4 series is heavier?

E90M3 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:13

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I had a 228i as a loaner once, not a bad car. Didn’t drive as well as my one though, going from hydraulic power steering to electric power steering is very noticeable. Maybe my problem was I stepped out of my M3 and into it. That said, I’d go for the 428i, I think it 228i is kinda ugly.

Jonathan Harper > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:14

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M2

dogisbadob > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:14

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The 228

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:15

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I just recently saw my first 228 in person. Wow. I’m not really a BMW guy but they did a great job designing it.

4 series just looks a little too long.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:15

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228. No question.

scoob > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:16

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228i

Nauraushaun > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:19

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Same engine, same amount of seats, one is smaller and lighter. Is that right?

If so, definitely the 228.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) is dead, long live Bman76 M. Arch 07/26/2016 at 21:19

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I think that could go to either. The 228i is like the hot girl that looks hot when she’s just keeping it casual in jeans and a hoodie. The 428i is like the bombshell in a Vera evening gown. Really can’t go wrong eith either on that.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > E90M3 07/26/2016 at 21:20

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Everything is a step down from an M3 lol

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Flyboy is FAA certified insane 07/26/2016 at 21:20

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Yeah, it’s like 2-300 lbs more IIRC. It’s kind of become a mini 6-Series in a lot of ways.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Nauraushaun 07/26/2016 at 21:21

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Yeah, it’s basically room vs sharpness.

TylerJ > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:21

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Do they enjoy carrying people often in the rear seats? 428i.

Do they not want to carry people, always ends up carrying people, and don’t feel like telling people no? 228i. The cheap-asses will get tired of the small rear area and start providing their own damn transportation.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Jonathan Harper 07/26/2016 at 21:21

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If only. Who knows, maybe I’ll crush it there and thatll be an option...

E90M3 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:23

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Yes and no. I’d get out of my M3 and into my 128i and still enjoy driving it. I actually really like that little car, to the point I’d buy another one; the 228i was just meh.

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:41

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If the 4GC came with a manual, I’d say that. But because it doesn’t, 228i. With the track and M-sport ackages.

Party-vi > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:41

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428i. 2-Series is the cheapest BMW they sell. You’re working at a dealer, you might want to project a 4-Series look.

CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:42

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228i definitely. I don't need to lug around more weighth

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:43

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The 128i...

LongbowMkII > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:44

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650 GC.

Oh, in that case 228.

Flyboy is FAA certified insane > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 21:56

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Oddly, the M2 is not much lighter than the m4. But the weight difference with the smaller engine would be exacerbated.

rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 22:01

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Probably the best driver’s BMW made right now is the M2, which means that if you aren’t in a position to get that for whatever reason any 2-series with handling options is going to be better than anything else. So 228 over 428 for sure.

Oooh, unless you mean 428 GC. That’s a sexy beast. Not really a coupe of course, but I love the lines.

for Michigan > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 22:12

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The 228i is smaller, lighter, and more attractive, which makes it the obvious choice.

samssun > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 22:20

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Downsize car and upsize engine. M235/240 come in right around where the 428 is priced.

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > E90M3 07/26/2016 at 22:21

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The 228i’s looks are significantly helped by a blacked out grill and the M-sport front fascia. I am not a big fan of the normal front fascia, but the sport one makes it much nicer.

not for canada - australian in disguise > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 22:27

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428i.

E90M3 > e36Jeff now drives a ZHP 07/26/2016 at 22:46

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M-sport makes every BMW look better.

pjhusa > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 22:46

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I like both, but if driving experience and value are both the deciding factors, just get a 230i with the Track Handling Package. If something grander and more mature is desired, go with the 428i.

GTRZILLAR32-Now saving for Godzilla and a condo > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 22:51

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E46 M3

Nauraushaun > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 23:03

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When I traded 300ZX for MR2 I traded considerable cabin room for some sharpness. No more just tossing things on the back seats, no more carrying items longer than a meter. My opinion is that, for most people, the room is not necessary except very rarely. Moving house, buying furniture etc. Maybe not so if you have a family, but I do think people are driving much bigger cars than they have any need for.

And the sharpness of the MR2 is divine. It wants to change direction!

AM3R shamefully returns > E90M3 07/26/2016 at 23:51

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I agree, I figured i’d quickly sell my 328i after I got my 335i, but instead I want to keep them both because I really like them both. The 328i doesn't even have the sport package, yet it's still enjoyable to drive.

AM3R shamefully returns > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/26/2016 at 23:52

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You can fit 4 adults in the 4 series, and it still handles pretty well. IMO looks better (gotta mod it though) and it's probably what I would pick, but only as a 435i 6mt M-sport. Honestly I'd just get a nice CPO E92 335is. Will be better than both.

E90M3 > AM3R shamefully returns 07/26/2016 at 23:55

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Even in auto the E9X is a great driving experience.

AM3R shamefully returns > E90M3 07/26/2016 at 23:59

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I agree. It helps that the N52 is a fantastic engine. If I can find an M-sport E91 328i with a 6 speed, I’m gonna sell the C300 and 328i for it.

I’ve also been toying with the idea of building an E91 M3 (minus the engine... Maybe)

E90M3 > AM3R shamefully returns 07/27/2016 at 00:30

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Damn you, now I want some BBS LMs.

Nick Has an Exocet > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/27/2016 at 02:52

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I disliked the way the 228i drove. I haven’t driven a 4 series but the 228 had a Malibu-like throttle response and I found the turbo to be very non turbo like. I didn’t find the car thrilling at all. The whole less weight argument is kind null on this question I think. It’s not a sport sedan. It looks like one, it’s marketed like one, but it drives like an economy car. A German rwd economy car.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > samssun 07/27/2016 at 06:44

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That is also a fantastic point. The price difference is pretty steep.

Montalvo > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/27/2016 at 07:12

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Whatever that gets you into a car with a 35i at the end. The I-6 is the one you want and it will boost like crazy too. If the option is only between those two go for the 2 series it looks better and is better proportioned.

nerd_racing > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/27/2016 at 07:37

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128i is what I would build. Lower entry cost, N52 is awesome, and 1M/M3 handling stuff bolts right up. Down the road you can swap in the M5 V10 engine if that’s your cup of tea.

nerd_racing > Nauraushaun 07/27/2016 at 07:37

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what gen?

Nauraushaun > nerd_racing 07/27/2016 at 09:11

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I traded my beloved Z32 300ZX for the SW20 MR2 I now have. So second gen.

The best one really :D Though I’d gladly take a first gen if I could find one in decent condition.

Milky > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/27/2016 at 09:33

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CPO this.

nerd_racing > Nauraushaun 07/27/2016 at 09:39

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I had a really good condition AW11, loved driving it, but I couldn’t get the thing to idle right and eventually lost my connection with it and sold it. Turns out the head gasket was blown on one corner, causing a massive vacuum leak.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/27/2016 at 13:13

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I’m with jaguar7117. 235/240.

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/27/2016 at 13:20

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I’d take a base 228i because the 2016 models have most of the features from the sport line that was available as an option. I’ve driven both, and I liked the 228i way more than the 428i. Although the 4 Series is remarkable, the 2 Series is more fun in a package that isn’t really much smaller on the inside. The M235i is a great alternative to the 428i, but the ride is firmer. The 228i will be enough for most drivers though.

jasmits > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/27/2016 at 13:34

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(semi-serious) My E36 compact has two doors, a roundel, just enough power and has cost me less than $100 in maintenence in the year I’ve owned it(oil changes and one hose that decided to disintegrate).$4000 for a good one would leave a lot of room for more toys if you have a 4 series budget.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 07/27/2016 at 15:14

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an M235i is about the same price as the 428i. the M235i is an enthusiast choice that's fun, lively, quick and comfy. the 428i is a 50 year old ex soccer mom's car when the kids are gone and on their own

Nauraushaun > nerd_racing 07/27/2016 at 18:25

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Gee. Probably a good thing you got rid of it then I guess. At least it wasn’t some easy fix or you’d be kicking yourself!